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Whoa, it's Spaceman Kasen!
how does she get the pink
You can tell she's a boy because he doesn't have flushed cheeks.
She got her bag back only to lose it again.
Yeah its pretty darn interesting so far.
There are no stand outs for really annoying characters either too so thats a plus.
It does seem really weird that they were just dropped off next to a fully working spaceship that happened to be empty though. There has to be something up with that.
Also, is it just me, or does the MC have heterochromea? I swear one eye color is slightly different than the other.
Her right eye is more yellow in every shot, yeah.
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So, in this scene, why didn't they just use the wire again? Whatever.>>31040
There is definitely an element of mystery along with the survival/exploration theme. I just hope they don't go all Lost on it.
Generally agreed on the good first impressions. It won me over even though I don't like long first episodes and really wanted to be watching dumbbell instead. I'm going to remain sceptic for a while nonetheless because a lot of anime have started out great only to quickly lose steam and become completely dull by the third or fourth episode.
Now I'm going to kick off the speculation with the usual first-week asspull that's proven false in the first minutes of episode 2: the blue boy's theory is right and he is in on it. That's why he made sure to be the first to point out the sphere and get sucked by it (while wearing his helmet). That gave the others a fair warning while maintaining a feeling of real danger.
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ep2 doesn't disappoint
I thought the black bars were just going to be for the first episode. What a pain.
the strange thing is how they're inconsistent
there were scenes in ep1 without black bars
it's okay we have 22 more to go
he'll get his dumb "I was a sour emo boy but I'm friendly now" arc
(personal guess: ~ep9)
Its stylish though, they've gotta be stylish!!
The second episode was pretty good too, these characters are all pretty great so far (minus the big titty girl and the emo kid, since they've barely done anything yet).
also I bet they're gonna spin the whole missing chip thing as the emo kid's doing and it'll probably be the quiet big titty girl
I haven't watched the second episode yet but it seems like the only scenes without black bars are those in which they're in space. (not inside the spaceship or on a planet)
It kind of makes sense.
Anonymous… Theres a screenshot right there where thr black bars are in the shot while they're on the planet…
Yes and I wrote that the scenes without black bars are those in which they are not inside the spaceship or on a planet. Skipped through the first episode and second episode again and I am right. The bars disappear as soon as they leave their spaceship to rescue the girl and the other guy.
That was because of the midroll title. After that it's immediately back to bars.
Everything else doesn't make much sense
what if turns out that it's like a crazy twist?
like every scene with bars is part of one timeline and every scene w/o bars is a different timeline
someone try watching ONLY scenes with/out bars and tell us how it goes
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Till she breaks!
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amazing how an already good show can instantly get even more interesting
like i wouldn't even mind an entire season of just space adventures… but there's a TRAITOR among them? wow!
I really hope she isn't the traitor.
That would be a huge cliche.
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I wonder what's the deal with this thing. The "magazine" looks like it has some kind of electrical connector at the end so maybe it's actually a battery pack or something.
it's hard to ground stuff when there is no ground around
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all the parents are in a conspiracy to kill their stupid kids
all the parents… beside the pink genki girls?
so right now I think the traitor is either the pink genki girl or the dead-eyed bulma boygirl
Clearly Emotarou knows something about bulmaboy, but it isn't the fact that he's the traitor, because if he had known the traitor's name all along he would've bothered finding out people's names. I don't think bulmaboy is both the traitor and whatever emo kid knows, and so I don't think he's the traitor.
Also, frenchie's mom and captain's dad sounded legit to me. Possibly the conspirators are only the principal and the statesman, with one or two other parents simply not wanting to spend a lot of effort searching for kids they hate anyway.
I think we can agree the cliffhanger scene is due to some personal problem Emo has with the cute boy, or his father, or someone with that name, and not related to the traitor problem. But the scene does clear Emo of suspicion because indeed if he were the traitor he wouldn't shove his gun in people's faces.
At any rate, you'd expect the traitor to be busy at work gaining the others' trust, and so the most likely candidates are Luca, who was conveniently shown this episode as being dependable and well-liked, and Zack, who happened to point out the evidence of sabotage, thus totally clearing himself.
I previously argued that Luca couldn't be the traitor because it'd be too rushed to present him as suspicious at episode 5/6, clear him and then reveal he was the traitor all along, but I realise now that this really depends on how long the anime is going to be. I can currently confirm only 12 episodes, but, unless they go for a "go read the manga" non-ending, it's most likely going to be 2 cours. Plenty of time for twists.
Really seems like it'd be either Zack or Aries. I hope it's not handled in a way that's too cliche but this is very definitely a shounen manga so we'll see. Maybe it'll be Fumichan or Kanata himself!
I find her eye suspicious
The best of the breasts
Another week, another cliffhanger! Clearly Charce's secret is that he's never attended a biology class, and all he knows about biology he learned from some gacha game he's really gotten into lately.
The Collusion of Shitty Parents confirms itself as the show's main theme. I'm really thinking if the traitor thing isn't a red herring after all. The only evidence, IIRC, is Zack's observation that the circuits were severed recently. You couldn't possibly narrow that down to a matter of hours or minutes, and since someone obviously set up the warpball and spaceship maybe they too damaged the radio, all shortly before the kids got there. All that's certain is that Zack's trying hard to make the others believe there's a traitor among them. For what purpose? A ploy to bring everyone close in the face of a crisis doesn't sound smart, as the existence of a traitor would be more likely to cause mistrust and infighting. As a trump card, in case he needs to get rid of someone later? Possibly, but as the electronics expert he's the main suspect himself. Maybe that's it - if at some point someone needs to sacrifice himself to save the rest, he can bite the bullet while convincing the rest that he was the traitor so they won't mourn him. Sounds like something only a genius with a very dear childhood friend would think of.
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>>31716>Another week, another cliffhanger!
I know right? resolve one and put up another… I'm not sure if I think he is the traitor though, but it would make some kind of sense. He seems like the kind of person who can get close to people without much trouble… maybe the lovable super smart idiot personality is just an act
Also, I really wasn't expecting that
from luca, what a twist! Its nice to see Ulgar getting fleshed out some more too.
But why censor a legal male's nipples
? They ought to be fair game, like those loli doujins that sport big signs stating that all characters are of age.
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so what does luca have between his legs?
The Tokyo Metropolitan Ordinance Regarding the Healthy Development of Youths.
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Kanata is ultra-cool and he's like the older brother I never had
The hand puppet has gone rogue and is feeding the kid his devious plans.
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She 100% killed everyone else on her ship right?
Is this like battle royale in space?
No it's a group of kids trapped in space and trying to survive. They explore planets and solve the mystery behind why they got trapped.
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Hah oh shit this is Kasen isn't it.
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[s]He picked up her all in his arms
And gave her kisses one, two, three
Saying weep no more, my one true love
I am your long lost John Riley
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it being a time travel story would at least have them crash landing right beside another ship make some sense
I'm tiring of these Lost-tier twists and cliffhangers, honestly. I'm focusing on the survival and the main conspiracy plot and trying not to take things too seriously, and hoping the anime will do the same. It'd be nice indeed if they tied everything up, but I'll count myself happy if they just don't try to make a huge deal out of themes that were asspulled 6-8 episodes in.
Zakku did nothing wrong
Osana najimi marriage promises are forever
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don't be so negative
they just give each character their own little mini-arc
(unless it IS a time travel story)
I take back some of my previous bitterness, as last week's tweest was indeed used to tie things up around the main plot themes instead of adding more loose ends for the fuck of it. Part of me wishes they hadn't immediately confirmed the crazy clone theory with a scene of the parents openly discussing it, as it sounded just like what a group of people starting to go mad from weeks of isolation might come up with. But back there I was moaning that they kept too many things up in the air, so what the fuck is my problem?
So, about Polina and the Earth: in a space opera Earth and Astra would be completely unrelated planets that just happen to have an identical species with an identical language. Another option is that Astra folk migrated there from Earth, which became uninhabitable as Polina seemed to believe. But as stated above 12 years is too little time to colonize a new planet from scratch, much less forget that you came from a different one to begin with. So we could have a time travel story after all, even a "We finally really did it. You Maniacs! God damn you all!" moment..
Yeah maybe polina was thrown into some wormhole or something. but she didnt seem surprised at the clone thing, so their cultures aren't that different technologically wise? its very strange, but as it seems it wouldn't be out of the realm of coincidence. since apparently finding the ship right there was coincidence too. the originals already take the kids for dead, so maybe there was no traitor in the first place, but they were supposed to just die in space
Could that really be it though? just a lucky break for these kids?
Also I really liked Aries reactions in this scene, very cute!
You can tie it all together if you assume that the 12 year figure is wrong and Polina was out for far, far longer than that. Then it becomes possible that humanity switched planets / other shit happened and younger generations haven't even heard about it
. But why would the date on her pod be wrong? All I can think of is that humanity rolled back the calendar. Normally, you'd roll it back to 0, and over 2000 years is a tad extreme (although Astran years may well be shorter, so the figure isn't reliable
), but it could work - Zack did say that their ship, the same model as hers, was an 'old' ship.
As for the no traitor hypothesis, that's been my pet theory for a while, yeah.
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holy crap I did NOT expect THAT
THEY'RE ALL ALIENS!!!
Current working theory: This anime takes place in like 4500 AD. The 2060 date they've been using is 2060 years since the founding of the Astra colony. Polina was stuck on that crap planet for like 2000+ years.
also perhaps that orb that threw them into space in the first place is a time travel thing, or a portal to an alternative universe?
The adults were talking about it as a man-made invention. If it's really a teleporter that can send you thousands of lightyears away in a single moment then I imagine it'd be used a bit more effectively than just a body disposal thing.
If, on the other hand, it's a one-way time portal, then yeah, it's useless for anything other than getting rid of your tsundere clone.
but then again: why did it appear on the 1st planet as well?
Nice theory but, why would the kids be familiar with a ship made 2000 years ago for them but not earth. Even if zack was a super ship nerd he'd at least know the origin of the ship type and why it was first made. It also looks pretty similar to the ship they arrived in with episode 1. Theres got to be something else at play…
what if technology hasn't advanced at all in those 2000 years?
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I considered that point, since I share icicle's theory.
[s]- First, as I hinted above, there's no guarantee that Astran years are anything like Earth years. They're probably not shorter than 3 Earth months, or else the kids would've celebrated New Year already, but it's still possible that their 2000 years are like 500-600 years to us. It's still hard to believe that a civilisation at our level of development would make no progress in 500 years, but see the next point.
- Second, if a cataclysm happened, there's no telling how much technology could have regressed. Maybe they're only now catching up to pre-cataclysm levels again. If maintaining old spaceships or building according to old designs was the limit of their technology, that'd explain why Zack found a pre-Astra ship familiar enough and easy to figure out.[/s]
It's a stretch, but within this anime's standards for plausibility, that enough time has gone by for the event itself to be forgotten (or, mind you, not the even but just the planet's name), yet event-era technology still feels familiar. There are other loose ends to consider, though:
- the second warpball: indeed, why would it show up if the conspirators expected the kids to be already dead far, far away from that planet?
- the spaceship right next to where the kids warped: maybe it really is the coincidence needed to get the story going; or maybe there's a counter-conspiracy (but who has the means for it?); or maybe the planet they warped next to was Earth
- Aries and Charce: how do they fit into the clone conspiracy
? Also note that it was Aries that suggested the spaceship lego plan; did she remember Zack explaining about the modular design, or did she know herself?
>or maybe the planet they warped next to was Earth
holy crap imagine that
but yeah I'm like 85% sure now that Aries is the traitor
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this anime is like the most engrossing thing ever
it's just so good
I love the characters
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also this wasn't too subtle
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Two twists in one episode!
>their cultures aren't that different technologically wise?They'd have to be almost exactly the same for her to have not noticed until now. There's way too many little things that she took for granted as familiar. I don't know if her ship is just the same model or what but clearly it's an Earth ship. I thought at first that it can't be actually the far future because by the spacefaring age atomic clocks or other kind of ultra-precise non-mechanical timekeeping devices should be ubiquitous for interstellar synchronization purposes, but it's also possible that the timer in the stasis chamber was busted or not built to that precision or something since the rest of the ship was screwed up. It's pretty unlikely though that the landscape would have stayed the same for hundreds or thousands of years. Another possibility is that their ship got into a wormhole to the future before it crashed and all that bad stuff happened, or something like that.>>32100>>32095It seemes to be pretty heavily implied that Aries is Charce's osana najimi who fell off the wall when they were kids. Also I think it's plausible that they're colonists who forgot about Earth or maybe that it was a generation ship if the colony ship's inhabitants were given a false history or if the ship just carried embryos and technology that wouldn't account for all the historical and cultural similarities to Earth though, since Astra clearly went through a feudal middle ages and there was a time before space travel. It's possible the colony ship had mechanisms to push humanity's development in the same direction it took on Earth but at this point I'm really just jumping to a bunch of conclusions based on just one theory. I've really got no clue.
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Remember that the cryopod didn't have a sign saying how long it had been active for; it showed the date of activation. So if the 12 year figure is wrong, it can't be because of a faulty timer, but because of calendar discrepancies. Of course, knowing what we know now, a calendar mismatch would hardly be surprising.
Regarding Charce and Aries, it seems I had been suppressing my memories of that whole segment, but coming back to it it's obvious you're right. I mean, same voice, name spelled backwards… I think Charce would've noticed something if Seira had had heterochromia too, so maybe Aries isn't Seira herself, but, like, some clone someone evil made, because why the fuck not at this point. Inb4 there's a serial number written on her iris.
Finally, about the alternate history/feudal period thing, I hesitate to even say this, but, you know how Charce said A.D. 1963? Well, technically he could've been saying a different word that sounds the same as A.D. but instead means star calendar / planetary calendar. The word isn't terribly common, but it does exist in fandom (and in FF14 it seems to be translated as 'Astral Era', funnily enough). It'd be cheap as fuck and grounds for a riot, I know, but I expect low blows like this from the kids who conveniently forgot to mention the name of the planet they're going to for three months.
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and oh wow they managed to surprise me with the traitor's identity. I removed him from my mental list like 3 episodes ago.
I'm thinking there might be some parallel universe tomfoolery or maybe the calendar is different and it's actually further into the future or something.
Or maybe the old lady is in on the conspiracy too.
>>32159>Or maybe the old lady is in on the conspiracy too.
It seems like they think that all the adults are in on it, making a fresh start for the new generations I guess. but that must mean the memory tech is already a thing. they surly would remember something that happened 6 years ago right? they weren't babies when the migration
happened. so I can think of two possibilities they were either grown in tubes or something and made to have false memories, which probably doesnt work since Kanata's hiking incident was in the news. or that they had hteir memories erased and had new ones implanted. or started from zero once they were on astra.
Its still really weird though especially with the WWIII shenanigans, is that just a government coverup?
Ahhh things are getting clearer yet more confusing as time goes on…
also really wasn't expecting the traitor to be who it ended up being.
also also, poline looks cute with her hair up!
A plot-thick episode. Much was explained, and some of it seems self-contradictory; let me put some facts together first.
Polina and the kids can both point to common events they believe to have happened in the last couple centuries; they're using the same calendar as far as they can tell. Their histories are similar up to a clear splitting point in the 1960s. We shall name the resulting timelines after the surviving best girls from each one:
Polina timeline: WWIII was averted; a meteorite was detected, and a plan to migrate to Astra established.
Quitterie timeline: WWIII happened; meteorites and inter-planetary migration don't ring any bells (although they should have happened during the kids' lifetime); maps draw 20th century Earth countries on Astran continents.
I agree that parallel universes and calendar discrepancies sound like the best explanations.
Parallel universes: Charce's wormhole opened a tunnel to the one Polina's people placed on Earth's orbit, and so they're in Polina's universe now? This explains the differences between Polina-Earth and Quitterie-Astra, but not their uncanny similarities.
One universe, calendar discrepancies: Astran history is forged, they really came from Earth and rolled the calendar back a few centuries to hide it? Global Thermonuclear War was made up to explain the Astra-Earth differencies? That plugs a lot of holes: it breaks us free from the 12-year limit (explains why Astran cities are so developed, and Earth so thoroughly frozen); it explains why no one seems to remember that time all humanity walked into a shiny ball just a few years ago, and instead everyone believes they've always lived in Astra (e.g. the old lady). It doesn't explain why Astra looks so much like Earth, or why no one remembers the calendar change itself, which must have happened in the last century.
I think the correct answer is probably a forged history + conspiracy to hide it
the only questions are the exact details of the forgery and how wide is that conspiracy
If they were trying to have a brand new utopian world and stuff though then why would there be a violently classist feudal monarchy country? The idea that Astra is only six years old just doesn't seem to hold up.
Sorry, a violently classist feudal monarchy "sector."
which is totally different from "country"
they don't have those anymore!
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Wait, but what is Aries then? Apart from super-hot in her spacesuit, I mean.
A clone of Seira? Must've been made for some Charce-related purpose, yet they just met and his job was to kill her. Some return of investment!
Seira herself? Even if she didn't recognise Charce at first, she would've after hearing his backstory, yet she keeps quiet. Has she also been sent with a secret purpose, or have her memories been erased? Memory alteration tech has been suggested to plug other holes - it could be at work here too.
What are the chances that we're being played, Aries is the traitor and Charce is taking the blame to protect her? His story does sound a bit like he made it up on the spot in response to the others' questions and accusations. I don't think this is the case, but there IS a considerable amount of fishiness surrounding Aries still.
>Aries is the traitor and Charce is taking the blame to protect her?
AH, haven't even considered this!
this is a good theory
what if they're working together? nothing says there has to be ONE traitor
Actually, this makes more sense than I thought. If they're working together, then they're simply pretending not to know each other, which is more plausible than both being the Multiverse's Densest Osananajimi, or memory manipulation. And this way when one of them starts drawing suspicions, the other can join in with the accusing mob and thus be cleared.
They must really have been prepared to die at first, but at this point it's probably true that they're trying to fulfil the mission and survive (note how the wormhole disappeared right before an easy double kill involving Aries). Their chances are good, too. It's quite clear that Kanata will at most restrain Charce, not execute him, so it's safe for him to take the blame - Aries just needs to wait for a distraction later on. For example, Aries and one other stay in the ship to watch Charce while the rest gather supplies; the two overpower this third person, take control of the ship and leave (surely, if they're planning to survive at all, they must be confident that they can pilot the ship).
>the wormhole disappeared right before an easy double kill involving Aries
yeah that was VERY suspicious
I bumped up my "Aries is the traitor" chance meter to 95% after that scene, so having it turn out to be Charles came as a complete shock
she also had a very strange moment during the exposition dump where she looked uncomfortable and forced everyone to change the subject
If she is a clone of Charles' sweetheart, it would make sense that he would secretly want to protect her?
Still doesn't explain why was she in that cave.
The two of them are both very suspicious but I still won't forgive anyone for making her cry!
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Things are finally coming together, especially regarding Aries! That was a pretty intense way to end the episode too.
We didn't get mor information about the time shenanigans, but at least Charce's story seems to be wrapped up.
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More than anything I'm just impressed by how well this anime can tie things together give everything good conclusions. It's just so… good.
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and I really really really love Kanata, he's such a great guy
I really really really hope they have good prosthetic arms in the 2060(?)'s
Why did he just stick it in.
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He was taking responsibility heh