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I really really really like Leif. There's something special and fun about his character, the "well-traveled uncle-guy who tells you stories and knows a lot despite being weak and non-heroic".
You don't see it executed so well very often. In fact, I can't even think of a single other instance right now, but it's still so instantly recognizable
I've been a fan of the manga for years and I was afraid they were going to screw this up. I'm glad to hear that's not the case.
I'm pretty sure he's quite cold actually.
See, this is what I mean
On one hand, I respect the author for not going for the cheap route and genderbending Canute. On the other hand, goddamn there's a lack of cute girls in the story.
Print out pictures of cute girls and hold them in front of uncute characters, this way any show can be cute.
Ylva is cute.
Ylva is cute.
Ylva is literally never relevant
I don't know if she shows up at all outside of the end of farmland saga
Yeah I'm disappointed too, I thought it'd be like a 15 episode cour considering they just dropped three immediately but it looks like it was just three episodes and then a three week break for some inane reason. That was a bad idea I think, it took all the wind out of the sails. I didn't realize the pun until I was about to submit the post.
What do you mean, the fighting? Normally I believe Vinland Saga gets top score for historical realism, but the fight scenes are anything but and they're very exaggerated. There's not that many people who're exaggerated, though. I can think of like, three besides the dad.
>double knife stanceThe story is about the kid, not the dad, and him being edgy and everyone, including Askeladd, showing and telling him how incredibly stupid it is to be edgy. If this isn't a double cour, it'll probably end just as he learns to stop being edgy. Thorfinn definitely has a bad case of "my speed is superior" going on with him though, so I'm not sure it'll get better during the course of the anime proper. I recommend you read the manga past the point of Farmland Saga if you're interested in getting less of that sort of BS.
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looks like a manga panel
It basically is a manga panel, except with worse art.
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So vinland saga did the whole "king Arthur was a roman general" thing before it was cool?
Any historical Arthur figure would have been a warlord in sub-Roman Britain, part of a heavily Latinized Romano-British Celtic culture. He would have presided over a period of gradual disintegration of the Roman social organization and economy that had been well-established for several centuries. If not a Roman citizen himself he would have been a descendant of one and would have been a Roman in every sense but being from the city of Rome itself. It's entirely possible such a character would have had a better command of Latin than Brittonic if he was from the Roman urban society, but even if he was a proper Briton if was been common for local tribal warriors to serve the Empire as auxilla or in the legions themselves. Though if we hold to the traditional association with the Dumnonii in Cornwall, which appears to have been further from centers of Roman control and cultural penetration it's possible he may have been among the less Romanized Britons
As for the name Artorius, that's a possible rendition of Arthur into Latin, which any genealogies and whatnot in sub-Roman Britain would have been written in, though I think the forms Arthurus or just Arthur would be more common. There's also the Roman plebeian gens Artoria, any man from which would have been named Artorius, so it could technically be referring to anybody from that family, not necessarily Arthur Pendragon. There's been some speculation that Lucius Artorius Castus, a high-ranking legionary who served for some time in Britain, lent his name to the legend but what we know of his history is pretty different other than that and his name, since he was an Italian plebeian whose last-known posting was in Illyria as opposed to the much later date and general association with the British Dumnonii we have for Arthur.
The whole "Arthur was a real Italian Roman" angle has been taken with some movies and other versions of the legend though, it's not really that rare. It's not terribly likely though, and there were plenty of non-Italian Romans and sub-Romans around to be Arthur, if he can be traced back to a single person at all. Also, it's entirely possible he just read Historia Brittonum or some other Welsh writings that mention Arthur (though in the former he isn't really referred to as a king but as a commander and it's mostly just about his battles) and claimed descent from him to assert some indigenous legitimacy during the foreigner-dominated Danelaw, as has been common practice all over the world.
The problem with tracing King Arthur back to one person is that we don't know very much about the state of migration era Britain and the first records to mention King Arthur were written hundreds of years after the Saxons had already emerged triumphant. King Arthur could've been a historical commander who got blown up over time, it's easily possible, but it could also just be a sort of anthromorphization. The legends associated with the Round Table predate Christian Britain and there's a prototype version in Fionn mac Cumhaill after all. Morgan was literally a fae, oldest of nine sisters. That sort of stuff clearly isn't from any historical records, or if it is it's been distorted beyond recognition.
Sorry I was going to type up a couple more posts but I fell asleep and basically Arthur was already a myth at that point so he's probably just making shit up to sound cool and it's just Artorius because the fuckin japs have a hardon for fake Latin sounding words. It's really unlikely anyone had a good sense of genealogy back to the sub-Roman Britons by then except maybe maybe some illiterate hillbillies in Caerbumfuck and their unreliable drunken monks. Some faggot Dane who thinks he's Alexander or some shit wearing a gayass muscle cuirass definitely doesn't know what he's talking about.
Well actual spoilers butIn the setting proper, the male line is totally extinct but there's this one girl who can claim that her dad was a descendent of King Arthur, and that's Askeladd's mom after she got raided and taken as a concubineAskeladd is LARPing as a Welshman LARPing as a Dane. It's a bit complicated but it sort of makes sense.
There's a decent number of well-used sources like Bede and Gildas and stuff, probably about as many as there are for France proportionate to the population at the time. It's not really that much worse than the continent though and definitely way better than the situation for like Slovakia or whatever. They're just really shitty sources and a lot of them are more just political statements unlike the autistic church records we have left over in from the continent. There's probably more shit in the Vatican Library too that nobody's read in fifteen hundred years. The archaeological record also isn't that terrible and there's ethnological work being done right now that would've been done years ago if the Welsh cared about Wales as much as the English care about the color of their own anuses. It's just not one of those fields that has very good publicity especially compared to the later middle ages and Tudors (the British monarchs are actually self-hating Welshmen by the way) and all that and the whole Arthur thing being all anyone ever wants to talk about makes it worse.>>31565
Uhhh that sounds kinda familiar actually. I don't remember where or when I stopped reading this manga but I it wasn't very long after Guts got on the boat. I should pick it back up.
Right but those aren't the sort of in-detail records you'd need to track down who Arthur is actually based on, if anyone at all. The main issue is that Camelot proper almost certainly existed and probably wasn't even based on any specific thing, just vague cultural memories of 'man it was better when the Romans ran things and weren't completely goddamn bankrupt after the late 200s rolled around
Actually Britannia was doing pretty nicely for a border province until the Great Conspiracy just a few decades before the legions evacuated after which there's no evidence of the intensive agriculture and diminished evidence for the proto-industrial commodity production that characterized many of the larger coloniae. Trade across the channel was pretty strong and stuff. I was talking about records in general because that was what you mentioned about the Migration Period stuff, since they're not that bad.
Arthur like you said is just a myth though. It's pretty likely he isn't based on a specific person anyways and the myth's development is very much rooted in sub-Roman Wales and Cumbria rather than the Roman period so it's pretty likely the Arthurian characters are proper Romano-Britons in the same way a contemporary Gaulishman would be and not Romans in the traditional sense of the word. So while the "Arthur was a Roman general" depiction isn't unfeasible it's not really faithful to the tradition nor even to what material and literary evidence actually exists for that matter since that stuff is very Welsh and reflects a certain romantic otherization of the fairly well-understood Roman political apparatus in Britain that's unlikely were the story to be about a proper Imperial Roman himself. I think there's such an interest in tying Arthurian legend to real people and places an to characters because it's unique from a folkloristical standpoint in that its development is contemporaneous with a relative wealth of written accounts and a fairly well-attested chronology unlike the historical basis for Scandinavian and Irish and Slavic folklore.
None of this really is on-topic though since in all likelihood "Artorius" is just fake Latin to sound cool, as is to be expected of historical fiction manga.
It's also that it's fairly difficult to do. We've got a decent idea of who Kriemhild and all her murderous buddies actually are and the historical events they're exaggerated legends of, but Arthur is more well known and less pinned down so it's easy to want to borrow the mystique and weight of the brand to tie to some historical figure.
But yeah, off topic.
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Man, it's all coming back to me. Askeladd is a cool dude. It feels kind of weird to read it again now and appreciate all the references and background I had no idea about when I was a kid. I remember thinking the whole idea of the Jomsvikings were pretty out there and fantastical.
What about Ad Astra? That's the one about the Punic Wars.Askeladd is the best character in the series up until probably Sigurd.
Didn't that end recently? There are a bunch of other good historical manga I need to read or catch up on. Looks like The translations for Hyougemono are still chugging along too even though the manga ended.
Maybe? I'm following the translations but it could easily be over, the English translations have passed Cannae so it's likely past the midpoint.
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I literally teared up…
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boy this guy just RADIATES sex
Askeladd is far and away the sexiest character in the manga, the dude oozes charisma it's fantastic and it makes the end reveal where he claims to be the heir of Arthur
weirdly believable and grand despite how cliche it is.
I think the anime makes him look way too young.
Me over the middle guy's back>>32027
It's that they didn't age him over the years. Askeladd genuinely looks young, like maybe 35ish, in the introduction with Thors, but by the time of the main story he's clearly middle-aged, but he looks the same before and after.
They could also just be following the manga though, he looks younger in the earlier chapters and got older as I think the author's ideas changed.I feel bad for the slave girl every time even in the manga
Thorfinn is such a huge fucking idiot holy shit how are they going to redeem his character?
I mean for real, Askeladd is roleplaying as the descendant of some hero but despite all that he's a down to earth guy who does what he has to do to get by in the age he was born in. You can tell there's some internal conflict and at the very least he looks out for his men. He does some underhanded bullshit but it has a justification that doesn't require you to jump through hoops to rationalize. I get Thorfinn wants revenge for his dad (even though that's not what his father would have wanted but there's arguments for and against to be made there) but the way he goes about it is so stupid. First you get the miracle of absolutely fucking nobody noticing THE CHILD OF THE GUY WHO JUST GOT MURDERED didn't board the ship back home. Then he becomes this uber cool calm collected twin dagger w4rr10r who immediately loses his composure at the most basic taunting. He latches on to this idea of being a honorable samurai WORRIOR but he fucking infiltrates and enables a sneak attack on a whole village after being nursed back to health by the people he just betrayed (oh but he said "run" once while running off the house so that makes it OK!). This has got to have some godly writing for me to get care about Thorfinn because right now he's the worst person in the anime.
Thats half the fun
I will evicerate you poopcicle
I don't think you're supposed to care about Thorfinn, or at least particularly like him. He's the protagonist but most of England Saga is about him being the only person in the world who doesn't realize how pathetic he is. I mean, even Thorkell basically calls him a loser, and Thorkell's character revolves around swinging axes around hard enough to break a ship in two.
Everyone is a slave to something, but Thorfinn is the only one in the cast who's a slave to someone else. Even the slave girl isn't as much of a slave to the miser uncle as Thorfinn is to Askeladd and his past. Askeladd is a slave but he's a slave more or less by choice. Thorkell is a slave to his own love of a good fight. The slave girl is a slave to the guy with money, but assuming someone set her free she'd be good to go. Thorfinn gets set free at the beginning of Farmland Saga and is literally nonfunctional for it.
I, too, am always on the losing team
like half the characters in vinland saga job
Yeah but I do it on purpose which makes me extra cool.>>32137
I don't see the brooklyn brawler or x pac anywhere in this anime.
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What a pretty girl…