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Got the opportunity to see an extremely rare Type 4 Ho-Ro yesterday; it's apparently the only known one in existence as between only 12 and 15 were made!
It has a 150mm gun, for comparison the JSDF's modern tank the Type 10 Hitomaru has only a 120mm gun.
I have four images to post of it, and I hope you enjoy!


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The Battle of Luzon where this Type 4 Ho-Ro was captured is particularly interesting as far as Japanese armored engagements go; Warrant Officer Kojuro Wada of the 3rd Company, 7th Tank Regiment managed to destroy and disable three Sherman M4A3s at the expense of three Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha medium tanks. Due to the inferiority of the Type 97s to the Shermans, this was technically a victory for the Japanese in spite of both sides essentially destroying each other.
Wada survived the war and died in 1983.


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Really good view of the breech.


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Last image.

This thread can also be used to post and talk about other Japanese armor.


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Cute tank!
It's always nice to see Japanese armor from that era, it's not really capitalized much in general. At least for me, when I think of the japanese in the war its almost always the navy that pops up.

I guess it doesn't help that a lot of their tanks were pretty lame looking…


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Did someone say tanks?


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It's not a tank. It's a self-propelled gun, that is, a piece of self-propelled artillery meant for indirect fire, generally a howitzer. Self-propelled artillery, such as tank destroyers, can be meant for direct fire or even engagement in close-combat (and many examples, especially early ones, were little more than field artillery mounted on a tank chassis) but they still remain in essence an extra-mobile delivery method for guns in a modern mechanized army, whereas a tank is a fully-realized armored fighting vehicle with a more generalized role. In practice things get muddied of course but in theory the distinction is something like that between horse artillery and cuirassiers.

The contemporary counterpart to the Ho-Ro is the JGSDF's Type 99 Howitzer, which also has a really big gun.


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I like Japanese tanks. They look kind of weird sometimes but I don't think it's lame at all. A lot of them are pretty badly-designed but they're cool in a hack-job kind of way. Some of them wouldn't look out of place in a Mad Max movie.
The Ode to Joy always reminds me of that one scene in Gunslinger Girl…


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Heck, look at this magnificent bastard.
Japanese tanks played a much bigger role in the war in mainland China so it's understandable we might not think about them that much.


The only reason that I know what an SPG is (besides the name) is the brief period I played World of Tanks


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They're still an important part of modern armies, and tend to be operated by artillery branches rather than armor branches but most people will think an IFV is a tank too. Can't be helped.


Well I mean they are armoured vehicles with a main gun right
What's the real definition of tank then? Feel like most people think of it as a armored vehicle with a big cannon and treads.


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It's easier to see with more advanced examples. Compare >>26217 to this. You can tell from the angle of the guns and the form factor and the thickness of the armor that there's a difference in role. Tanks are meant specifically for fighting on the front lines. It gets a bit muddied with direct fire stuff like tank destroyers but even those were little more than delivery methods for their guns, rather than as a more general front-line fighting vehicle.

Interestingly in some other languages apparently the word "howitzer" is more associated with self-propelled guns than the big stationary batteries we tend to think of in English. I've seen people at museums confused as to whether something was a tank or a howitzer. The nomenclature isn't really a big deal but technically a "tank" is a fairly specific thing. I do get a bit bothered when people call the Bradley a tank though…


I'm just mostly asking if they're TECHNICALLY wrong
Main battle tanks aren't artillery pieces like SPGs yeah, but light tanks weren't really frontliners either


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For me I think pitched infantry battles and suicidal charges against enemy tanks when I think of the Japanese in WWII.

I've also been reading Rays of the Rising Sun lately, about Japan's various puppet states and puppet armies.
It makes me sad Inner Mongolia never acquired independence and that the Japanese used their White Russian soldiers so disposably.
I could totally see a manga or anime about a White Russian serving in the Manchukuan Army during the Second Sino-Japanese war, Soviet border incidents and WWII. Apparently they had a big sabotage operation in Siberia that was hardly covered.

Didn't make that connection!

You're right, the Type 99 155mm howitzer is a better comparison, however I wanted to stress how fuckhuge 150mm is.


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Yeah, they are technically wrong. I guess an easy way to think of it would be a tank is a front-line armored fighting vehicle meant to provide both anti-personnel and anti-armor capabilities. Sure there are always exceptions and stuff but a self-propelled howitzer is not a tank.
Also, light tanks are mostly meant for reconnaissance and close infantry support which are both front-line roles. They're mostly going the way of the dodo in favor of IFVs nowadays though.

The Second Sino-Japanese War is just as interesting as any of the other theaters of the wider War. It's a shame we hear so little about it in the west.


Do not post suffering thank you


I looked it up and the ribbons Colonel Horo has in her rack look to all be real.
Top row is the Order of the Rising Sun, either the Order of the Sacred Treasure or Korean Annexation Medal, and the Shouwa Coronation Medal
Bottom row is the Red Cross Order of Merit Medal, and I can't really tell since it's mostly covered but might be the Korean Annexation Medal or the Taisho Coronation Medal
If the top center one is the Order of the Sacred Treasure then it's a bit off-color but its placement and the bottom right being the Korean Annexation Medal and not the Taisho Coronation Medal would make more sense.
Pretty cool.


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Pictured: a desert-adapted lend-lease M4A2 Sherman under maintenance, showing off its General Motors 6046 twin-engine powertrain composed of a pair of 7L Detroit Diesel I-6 motors with a total output of 370 horsepower, November 1942, shortly after the Second Battle of El Alamein (colorized)


She survived a shootdown and now has two reasons to not have to fight anymore!
Isn't that the opposite of suffering?


screw u ;_;


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Oh and here was another thing that was there.
I was mostly excited about the self-propelled gun.


I was about to say, the pictures remind me heavily of the field guns I saw in a WWI history book I used to have can't find it anymore


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I got in touch with a Japanese historian/author and he sent me a story by the Independent Gun Crew who used the exact Type 4 Ho-Ro I saw in it's last battle near Clark Airfield in Luzon.

However my Japanese is very very shit and I can't read it.
I'm posting it here in case somebody wants to try taking a crack at translating it.

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